Welcome to IVF This, episode 138, IVFers Like Us with Adrienne. Hello, hello, my beautiful friends. I hope you are all doing so, so well today. One of my favorite people in the world is my guest today, my beautiful Adrienne. She's A former client, now friend, disclaimer at the top, it could get ugly, we're both ADHDers, like rampant ADHDers, but this will give you a really good idea as to what it's like to coach with me. Today we're gonna be talking a lot about how to apply the concepts that I teach, that I coach on, all of that, when maybe you're in between cycles or you haven't even approached IVF, you're after IVF, basically,how universally applicable coaching practices concepts are. And there is no better person than to talk about this because we, Adrienne and I, didn't meet until she was about eight months pre her very first round of IVF. Or so, right, give or take? Something like that. So without further ado, here is my beautiful good friend Adrienne.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for being here on the podcast today.

Adrian W. 

Oh my gosh, no, I'm so happy to be here with you. And I love seeing your pretty face and chatting with you like always. And I'm sorry for anybody that could hear my little squealing as you were doing the intro because I can't stop my reactions.

Emily 

I was in her defense. I was also jumping around so like we were just feeding off of each other like two dogs at a dog park or something so

Adrian W. 

Hahaha

Just really kicking it off strong in the beginning.

Emily 

I mean, that's how we do it. That's go big or go home and neither of us ever go home. So that's what we are. All right, so let's kick this off. Tell us a little bit about yourself, your journey, where you are this far.

Adrian W. 

Yeah, okay, so my journey is, you know, kind of a roller coaster like so many of us. Kind of one of the big things that is kind of important to know with my history is that I have basically had endometriosis since I went through puberty and I've had

Adrian W. 

Okay, I'm talking a little bit louder and I'm starting over. Yeah, so I think one of the big things to know with my history is that I have basically had endometriosis since I went through puberty and that culminated in me having four surgeries to remove that tissue. And I've also been on basically every drug that.

has ever been approved to treat endometriosis. So I've been through a lot with that. So I always knew there was a chance I would struggle conceiving. I had obviously hoped that would not be the case. But then, my husband and I, at the time when we were dating and my endo kind of started coming back, then we talked about getting married and starting to try for kids pretty early. So...

So, you know, we get engaged, we get married during COVID. So we kind of delayed our wedding reception for a few months and we decided basically as soon as we had our wedding reception we were gonna start trying to get pregnant. And then, you know, kind of the big kicker hit as soon as, you know, we're like literally in the fertile window.

of our very first cycle trying to conceive. And my mom calls me and says, I'm unhappy and I'm leaving your dad. And so, you know, that was obviously very rough. It definitely then created an association between my parents splitting up and our struggle with conceiving.

because it happened at the exact same time. So then so many different things happened. We moved, we got new jobs, yada, yada. And I kept thinking, okay, when this stressor is over, then we're just gonna magically get pregnant. And it just kept not happening. So then after we did...

Emily 

Right.

Adrian W. 

the one year, then we sought out the REI and had all of our testing. And, you know, the only thing that came back abnormal was that I found out I had a low ovarian reserve, probably from my endometriosis and my surgeries. So we started doing, you know, the Clomid, IUI, and, you know, that was not successful.

And then that was when, you know, you and I actually met and started working together, but we, we ultimately ended up actually doing IVF and we're currently expecting after, after our transfer. So very exciting.

Emily 

Just amazing. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. But that was one of the biggest reasons. And one of the biggest things that we talked about when we first met a little over a year ago was the idea of. I know that IDF isn't right around the corner for us. Like it, it will more than likely be. Hopefully we don't get to that point, but what can we talk about? What do we not talk about? Like, how can, how can coaching happen for us?

So tell me a little about how you found me and then what made you decide to pursue coaching.

Adrian W. 

So, like I said, I was kind of dealing with the infertility diagnosis and still everything going on with my parents. And I actually was seeing a therapist for a while, but then my insurance with my therapist was running out. So I thought, okay, well, I still need to do something. And it would be really cool if I could talk to somebody.

who could kind of help me through this, all of this, but like with the lens of infertility and stuff like that. And honestly, I don't know how I decided to Google infertility coaching. I call it divine intervention or whatever, but.

Emily 

Had to be, that's it.

Adrian W. 

I just decided to like Google that one day and then you were one of the people that came up and so I reached out to do, you know, one of the mini sessions and I also, then I saw that you had a podcast, so I started listening to your podcast and I was just like, I'm really jiving with this girl. I need a little bit more of this.

Emily 

Amazing.

That's what so many people say about me. Yo, this girl, I need more, right? No.

Adrian W. 

So, yeah, I mean, I was really nervous about starting coaching and, you know, kind of making the financial commitment. But, I mean, even now, actually, my husband and I have had multiple conversations in the last couple of weeks, and he will tell anybody it's the best money that we've ever spent.

Hahaha

Emily 

That's my favorite phrase because that's how I feel about coaching. So I love when that phrase is echoed. Okay, so we've got a lot to unpack here. So let's talk a little bit about that association between the demise of your parents who had been married your entire life, right? You had only lived in their home with them as a married couple.

and the infertility and all of that kind of colliding all at once.

Adrian W. 

Yeah, it, I remember, you know, just being so angry with my mom, and just kind of blaming our infertility on her. And she had no idea that we were even trying to get pregnant. And so, so I am, you know, I'm just, I was so, so angry. And just

you know, casting all this blame on her. And she didn't even know that. And I remember you and I talking about it a bit too. And I would say, you know, I'm angry at my mom because I'm going through this. And so I'm not gonna talk to her. And you're like, okay, but who are you actually punishing?

Adrian W. 

Like, all right, fine, Em, you got me again. Ha ha ha.

Emily 

Sometimes I love getting my own words back to me because I believe you've actually used that on me when we ended our coaching relationship and we were like, Hey, we really like each other. We want to stay friends. And I was telling you something and you were like, really, who are you punishing? And I was like, um, ma'am, no, thank you. I didn't sign up for this. Um, so yes, I love that. So tell me a little bit about.

working through because we spent at least the first three and a half ish months. You had mostly you'd had a big endoflare and so we were working through that. Did you or did you not have another surgery? I know you started the newer medication.

Adrian W. 

Right, yeah, so I started this medication. It had only been approved for endometriosis like two months before I started it. And so it was like, you know, very new, but it was able to, you know, work well enough that I could avoid another surgery. Cause I really did, you know, I was just sitting there going, I already have low ovarian reserve. I can't afford to lose any more eggs in surgery.

and build up more scar tissue.

Emily 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the chronic pain was something we talked about.

Adrian W. 

So yeah, so that was definitely, yeah.

Emily 

Um, which I think, like, oh, I lost my train of thought. Hang on just a second. Which I think the chronic pain of endo is something that is so. Minimized and glossed over. Um, there were a few sessions where I think in, in no plain terms, I was like, stop gaslighting yourself. You are in pain. Do you, do you kind of remember that?

Adrian W. 

Yeah, yeah. Um, I, we definitely talked about that. And, you know, I think one of the, the hard things with it is you just assume people are going to say, well, like, how is that different than just period cramps or, you know, you're not going to die from it. Why, like, don't be so dramatic about this or whatever. And you're going, but I'm literally in so much pain that I can't.

Get out of bed! I can't move!

Emily 

Right.

Yes, without reprieve.

Adrian W. 

And then that comes with its own guilt, because then you just feel like you're being a lazy POS.

Emily 

Yeah. And because that had been kind of a, I mean, you said you were diagnosed in early mid adolescence or something, right? 17, 18?

Adrian W. 

Yeah, yeah, I think I was on birth control before I entered high school because my doctor, I was very lucky. I was very lucky and I had a doctor that said, you know, the only way we can know for sure is to have surgery, but you know, I'm 99% sure that this is endometriosis. Your pain is not normal and we should do something about it.

And I know I'm the exception and not the rule when it comes to that. I'm just so thankful that I had a doctor that recognized what I was going through.

Emily 

I, and you being the, and not the rule is, uh, is a subject for a very different podcast episode that entails a lot of screaming and swearing.

Adrian W. 

Oh yeah. Like, we could go on a tangent about how f'd up that is.

Emily 

Yes, for everyone involved. So we have this aspect of chronic pain, coupled with the already, if I'm remembering correctly, a trauma that you've pretty much carried with you from that diagnosis, from originally finding out, hey, you have this and it's probably going to impede your ability to conceive normally or even carry normally. So you're carrying that with you and all of a sudden this massive trauma.

of your parents dissolution.

And so by the time we met, tell us a little bit about where your head was at, what was going on, what were you hoping to get out of coaching?

Adrian W. 

Um, honestly, I, I think, you know, when it, when it came to coaching, I was definitely looking for like coping skills. Um, and, and just trying to, you know, kind of find a way out of just the, all of the darkness that I kind of kept finding myself drowning in, you know, how. Like you talk about.

all the time in your podcasts and stuff. Like your brain is hardwired to go to negatives. And I had so many negatives going on at the same time. I just, I felt like I couldn't escape it. And I knew that I needed to be able to find a way to come out of that. And I could not do it by myself.

Emily 

Well, and you, you had tried, you had gone to therapy. Um, and like you weren't, you weren't just sitting around like a bum. Think even if you were sitting around, I'm not going to say that. Hang on, Anthony, nobody's sitting around like a bum. That was an asshole thing for me to say. Okay. But you are, you are actively trying to figure out how to create, cultivate a support system for you through this. And then the very real possibility of going through IVF.

Adrian W. 

Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I'm also somebody like I, I like to be able to talk through, you know, what I'm thinking, what I'm feeling, all of these things. And, you know, at that time, my husband and I were not really being open with people about our infertility diagnosis. And, you know, it's not like I was posting on social media about my parents.

splitting up or what else. So, you know, it just, there, it felt like very few places where I could, you know, even express all of the different things.

Emily 

Yeah, yeah, and I think one of the things that I get asked a lot about is, and this is just a little bit of a tangent, but I think it's very applicable, is that how do I share this? Do I share this? Whom do I share it with? And I think for all of us, we all have our own particular journey in sharing. For me, I was not very open the first time.

that we went through IVF, but then subsequently after I decided to do this and we went through another round, I've clearly been much more open about it. But when you have so much that you're carrying by yourself, like so much that you're carrying by yourself, it's almost an inevitability that trying to stay out of those darker places, as you mentioned,

Like no wonder your brain kept steering you there, right? You didn't have an outlet, you didn't have reprieve, you didn't have relief from it. So tell us a little bit of, go ahead.

Adrian W. 

Yeah, it. OK, I was just going to say it also doesn't help that in my job. I work in a very pregnancy heavy area. So like I my boss is a maternal fetal medicine specialist. So, you know, I couldn't just escape and work either.

Forgot about that little tiny. Ha ha ha.

Emily 

I did too, if you're watching this on like YouTube or whatever, I nearly fell over because I had forgotten that Adrian's work was literally tethered to pregnancy and high-risk pregnancies and things like that. So yes, I think there's a really important little asterisk that we place in Adrian's story. So knowing all of this, all of these things that you were carrying, tell me a little bit about...

how moving through, especially that first section of coaching where we weren't really talking a whole lot about IVF or infertility, it was a lot about this extra stuff that was happening, the chronic pain, your relationship with your mom, things like that. So tell us a little bit about that journey for you, what really stood out, what was really impactful or helpful.

Adrian W. 

Yeah, so I remember, you know, when I would talk about how I was so upset that we were taking this time off to treat my endometriosis, because, you know, if you're not actively doing a cycle or whatever, then I mean, what's the point, right? You're wasting your time. You're wasting your eggs or, you know, all these.

Adrian W. 

ridiculous things that we tell ourselves. And, you know, and I, especially, I think I really held onto that with my low ovarian reserve. I just kept saying, you know, we're wasting time, we're wasting eggs, yada, yada. And I placed a lot of blame on myself for having the four surgeries that I had. And, you know, I would say,

If I could just have, you know, sucked it up a bit more, dealt with the pain, done this or that, and you know, and I just remember you saying like, okay, let's entertain this for a minute. Let's say you didn't have surgery. You know, were you able to work? Were you able to do this or that? No, no, I really couldn't function.

you know, blah, blah. And it's, okay, so what options did you have besides having surgery? Well, at that time, you know, the only drug treatment really was doing birth control. And I've probably been on at least a half a dozen different birth controls. And, you know, they might work for a little bit, but then they'd stop and, or do that, or basically have like chronic Lupron.

injections and treatment. And I did that after I think it was my first surgery, first or second, I can't remember. But I did Lupron for nine months and I didn't respond to that either. And I had to have another surgery. So, you know, it was like, okay, well, I guess now that I think about it, I kind of had exhausted all of the other options here.

was not really anything else I could do besides have surgery if I wanted to continue to function as a human. And.

Emily 

Just that minor detail of functioning as human, right?

Adrian W. 

Yeah, I mean, you know, it wouldn't have killed me. I just never would have left my bed.

Emily 

Right, no relationships, no studying, no working, no sexual intimacy, physical intimacy of any kind, nothing.

Adrian W. 

Yeah, so, so it's like, okay, you know, and that'd be one of the times where, you know, I'd go like, well, fine. You got me there, M. How many times do you think I said that to you while we were working together?

Emily 

Um, playfully or angrily. Cause occasionally it was angrily. A good half dozen, a good half dozen. Um, uh, so I do want to, I do want to point out one thing that you said that I think bears kind of repeating is this idea that if you're not productive, if you're not actively doing it, it's a, I call it the Fitbit mentality because Fitbit many years ago I had an if.

Adrian W. 

Either.

Ha ha ha.

Emily 

If I wasn't wearing my Fitbit or if I wasn't today, I'm not wearing like if I'm not wearing my Apple watch today. It's like, what's the point? Why even exercise? I don't have it. Right.

Adrian W. 

Oh yeah, you go on a walk and you forget it. These steps aren't counting towards anything.

Emily 

It doesn't mean anything. Right. Um, and I think that was, that's a common, a commonality when we talk about like time scarcity and we forget that there are trade-offs. Right. So for you, we were trying to get your endometriosis flare, which was just watching you go through it was extremely painful, right? Cause, and we're only talking an hour once a week.

Adrian W. 

Yeah.

Emily

right, and she's living with this the rest of the time. And so I think helping you to kind of remember like, it's not a, we're not sacrificing one thing for nothing. We have to, you had to go through a ton of rigmarole with the insurance to get the medication approved, all of that. So like, I'm really glad that you kind of brought that up, that we were able to front and center, oh, maybe it's not just a waste of time.

the feelings, the thoughts around it being, you know, all for nothing, or what are we even doing this for? Completely natural. And I think a very common experience for a lot of us. And so I, again, I think one of the beautiful parts about coaching is that we can ask ourselves those questions. Like, had you ever asked yourself what would have been the alternative to not having surgery?

Adrian W. 

just too busy beating myself up for having surgery.

Emily 

Right, right. You were too busy being a jerk to yourself about, you know, treating yourself and taking care of yourself to stop to remember, oh, that's, yes, there were actually legitimate medical, biological, functional reasons for me having that. So good, I forgot, I love you so much. Anyway, we're back on, we're back on, Anthony, I promise. So, and then outside of the infertility, you know, we've got this really big,

pain, this really big hurt around your mom and your parents' marriage. And we spent a lot of time on that. So tell us a little bit about that and what kind of coaching concepts and things that we talked about for that. So, I'm going to start with a little bit of a background on the topic of the day.

Adrian W. 

Yeah, so I mean, I think, you know, like I mentioned before, I definitely had all of this anger and resentment towards my mom, which, again, she had no knowledge of. And, and I think, you know, we had multiple conversations about, okay, Adrienne, who are you actually punishing here? And

Um, you know, and, and then, you know, kind of a lot of conversations too, about boundaries and, um, you know, kind of me being okay and not feeling guilty about needing to set different boundaries with different people. And, you know, in particular with my mom and, um, you know, and say,

okay, you know what, like I actually, I really need some space from mom right now. And I feel really bad about it. And I, you know, I'm the worst daughter ever, blah, you know, go through all of those different things. But, um, but then it, you know, it was, it was ultimately about like, okay, what is best for me right now? What do I need? And this is what I need. So we're just going to go ahead and give ourselves permission.

For that.

Um, and then I know I, I like, I, I wrote it down because I did not want to forget. I think one of, one of my favorite things that, that we would do with our coaching, um, was we, and I actually tried to look to see if you had a specific podcast episode on it and I couldn't find one. So this might be an idea. Um,

Emily 

Oh, here we go. Yeah.

Adrian W. 

but it was what was said, what did I hear, and what did I make it mean? And that is something I swear, it has changed my life. I use it constantly. Now in like, you know, any conversation, like my husband might actually say something that's insensitive or whatever, and I'll get so upset.

So, you know, it'll be my husband said this, and here's the kind of my own brain telephone conversation of how I converted it into this whole ugly thing over here. And we, I know for sure that we did that with stuff with my mom, where I would say, you know, my mom said this to me, and it really hurt my feelings.

And, you know, we'd kind of say, okay, well, you know, if this is this is exactly what she said. So then, you know, ultimately, what, what are you feeling as it like, what is your heart saying that she meant by that? And, you know, then we could kind of use that as like a precursor with like, the think, feel, do stuff, or the using the four N's.

and all of that. So that was something that was, like I said, really helpful. And I use it all the time right now, or I probably will forever.

Emily (29:26.658)

I love that so much. So what Adrian's referring to is my four part framework for understanding how and what communication is. So if it's a conversation someone's having with you, i

. So there's what they say, there's what they mean, there's what you hear, and there's what you make that mean. And the telephone reference is that if you're old enough to remember the game Telephone, where it starts with, I had chicken nuggets for lunch, and by the time you get down to the 15th kid in the line, and it's like the fish flies at night, that's basically what communication happens between

us within our brains, right? So, you know, my husband could say, are you gonna wear that? Which is always a sticky wicket, right? And what he means is like, it's cold, I'm not sure that like weather appropriately, you're gonna be comfortable. I hear you look like a slob, just an absolute slob, and I make that mean that he's not attracted to me, right? So that's literally in real time, the four part sequence, and it happens in a nanosecond.

So I love that I know we did a bunch of those ad nauseum for you, I'm sure, to just because the goal is that we never tried to change mom, right? We were very realistic that mom was always going to mom, right? She was always going to be that person that you knew and in many ways loved. But the only thing that we could do to help you was allow for.

Emily 

other possibilities to be true at the same time, right? And part of that is like, we cannot like her behavior, and yet we don't have to be angry at her about everything. Right, that was one of them that I distinctly remember. So now...

How do you feel around, I know you are, by all accounts, have been very successful with IVF. You guys had a great first round, transfer has been successful. So how do you feel now after the coaching, thinking about your endo, thinking about your relationship with mom, thinking about all the things that brought you to coaching in the first place?

Adrian W. 

Um, yeah. So, you know, like, like you just said, we were very fortunate, um, in how things ultimately have, have worked out for us, um, in terms of building our family. Um, you know, I, it's all the coaching stuff has really helped me accept, you know, kind of what control I have versus.

what's out of my control, namely other people. And then just using all of these tools, when I, obviously I'm still going to have a bad day here and there, 50-50, right? So when I have a bad day, I can still

Adrian W. 

use all of these tools. And I mean, obviously, I don't have 100% success rate for pulling myself out. And, and sometimes I need to say, okay, I'm gonna let myself just have this temper tantrum for a little bit. And then I'll probably feel better after, you know, the coaching stuff, like, you know, trying to do all of these things to change my mindset. It's not working right now.

We're just going to go ahead and let all the feelings fly. And then, and then we can reset and it's going to be okay. So I think, you know, get you, I, a lot of it, I think has just been giving myself permission to do all, you know, to feel the feelings, to have the tantrums once in a while, to know that it does not always have to be rainbows and sunshine.

And I don't have to feel guilty if it's not rainbows and sunshine. And, um, you know, permission to set the boundaries with people and not feel guilty that you're not living up to what quote unquote society's expectations are. And yeah, I don't know if that just answered your question at all. I might've gotten distracted.

Emily 

Like you did, you did. No, you know, one of the things that we talked a lot about is like that allowing yourself the opportunity to have the temper tantrum. Like, I always say to myself, like, I'm a grown ass woman. I'm gonna do the thing that I said I'm gonna do. But if I stop my feet a little bit, that's okay too. And I think one of the things that we really focused on for you is that

you had been kind of raised with this, you had this identity of being like a good girl thrust upon you. And so, tell us a little bit about that.

Adrian W. 

Yeah, I also had the being labeled as the emotional one thrust on me my whole life. And so I feel like, you know, once I got into adulthood, it was, okay, Adrian, stop overreacting about this. Stop crying about that. You know, because

Everybody, like you're the emotional one. Stop doing this. Stop feeling that. And that was another thing that you and I talked extensively about. And now I say it to my husband all the time. I'm not emotional. I am a human being who feels and experiences their emotions. I'm not a psychopath.

Emily (

You're not a psychopath. No. That's my favorite.

Adrian W. 

And so yeah, so that's just, you know, one of those other things, giving yourself permission, like be the emotional one. Who cares? Like, and then we would quote, um, uh, French kiss, express, not repress.

Emily 

Yes. And I've said this before on a podcast and to like, probably every single one of my clients. I think the expectation that we hold is that we're going to go through this process with little to no emotion, right? That we're just going to like flow through and it's going to be, you know, it's going to be hard. But, and I think that is just a categorically unrealistic expectation for any human being. Like it's just not possible for someone to go through

chronic pain, your parents divorcing, infertility, IVF, without those emotional upheavals. Like it's an inherently emotional experience, any one of those. So I'm glad you brought that up. Yes, if you're feeling feelings, you're not a psychopath. So that's a good thing. We're already culling the herd right there, so it's a good thing. Okay, so as we wrap up, this is my favorite part, this is my favorite question.

What was your favorite experience or like the standout experience of working together?

Adrian W. 

I know, I mean, I don't know, just in general. I mean, like I said, it's just been so overwhelmingly positive working together. I've been so happy that, you know, we...

Uh...

I've been so happy to have learned all of these different tools that I can apply to all of these different situations, you know, whether it's infertility or my husband hurt my feelings by suggesting I do the dishes or, you know, I don't know. But I mean, that was just so rewarding.

I mean, you and I just always had a blast talking to each other. It didn't matter how dark of the topic it was. I always came out feeling better because I, you know, we would go on our random tangents, ultimately quoting some movie or song or something and, you know, just bonding over other life things and it yeah, just all overall. I mean, I like I said, I don't think I could.

pick one single good thing. It was all good things.

Emily 

I'm glad you brought up the pop in from one topic to another. Cause like if you're going to work with me, I think that's an important disclaimer. We're going to talk about some random shit. We're going to get a lot done as, as what Adrian said, we're going to, we're going to cover a lot of topics. My main goal is that you get what you come for, for any, for any appointment, but be prepared to talk about some random stuff in between too. Cause that's just how my brain processes.

information and god love adrian we would ping we would ping around um like one of those video arcade like one of those arcade games ping and then we would go oh yes and we're talking about this now and then we would do the work

Adrian W. 

Yeah, we'd have like a solid five minutes of the pinging and then okay, focus.

Emily 

So IVF, all that, it's all heavy. Everything that we're talking about, you don't come to me because life is light and airy, but we're still going to have fun while we're doing stuff. And one of the many reasons I love Adrienne is because we had a hell of a lot of fun while we were doing some pretty deep stuff. So, okay, last piece. What advice would you have for the IVFers of the world who are listening to this episode?

Adrian W. 

Um, are we are we talking about just in terms of coaching or not coaching or just IVF in general or does I. Oh, this is okay. This is.

Adrian W. 

You know, I think that ultimately it just comes down with, you know, doing whatever you think is going to be best for you. And then not giving yourself grief about making that decision. Because, you know, even like I wasn't even sure how I felt about doing IVF. I was very wishy washy about doing IVF.

um, as someone who was raised Catholic might be, um, and, um, you know, feeling unsure about, you know, making the financial commitment to do coaching. Um, you know, in some ways when I approached my husband about it, I, part of me kind of hoped he would say no. So that in case it didn't work or it wasn't helpful, I wouldn't feel bad about us having spent that money. But.

It was, I mean, it was amazing. And, you know, so it's kind of like, if you, if you make a decision, then just. Give yourself permission to, to do that. I mean, obviously the things I mean, depending on what it is, you can change your mind or not change your mind, but just don't beat yourself up because you're always doing the best that you can with the information that you have.

Emily 

No, it's not rambling. All the permission. You get all the permission. Everybody gets permission. Whatever you wanna do. Don't break the law because it's my permission. But I give you permission. Do whatever you want. Okay. Thank you, thank you, thank you for coming on the podcast. And it was so, so lovely to see you. And I'm so glad that you're sharing your story because I think the idea of...

What can coaching do for me outside of IVF is a pretty common question. Um, so I'm so glad you were here to share your story and for everyone to fall in love with you as well. So thank you all have a beautiful week and I'll talk to you soon.